Monday, August 26, 2013

Contemporary White Nationalism and Supremacy

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White Nationalism is the belief that "white" people collectively make up a nation, and that they deserve a
"white homeland", a geological region which "non-white" people are not allowed to enter.

White Supremacy is White Nationalism, with the added tenet that "white" people are genetically superior to all other people.



Besides these basic beliefs, there are many other facets to these ideologies which are worth mentioning if you really want to have anything more than a basic understanding of them.

(Why would you want to understand these ideologies? Simple: so you can subsequently defeat them.)


The Mantra


First of all, they have a mantra. It was written by political activist and former Reagan Administration employee Bob Whitaker. This mantra is used by white nationalists/supremacists to a sheer obnoxious degree, copy-pasted all over social media sites as if it's some kind of death blow to any counter-argument.

Let's take a look:

"ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and 'assimilating' with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to 'assimilate,' i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white."

This is actually the best they've got. This is pretty much their Ten Commandments. It isn't just a few of them pounding this mantra to death: I'm not picking on just a few crazies here. This is extremely prevalent among them: I haven't spoken to a single one who wasn't aware of it (and I've spoken to a lot of white nationalists).

Impressed? Me neither.

I'd like to analyze the mantra and set straight exactly what's wrong with it. If you're a white nationalist and seriously too thick to see how moronic it is, pay close attention.
"ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!"
Stop right there. You've mentioned Asia as a continent. You've mentioned Africa as a continent. But then, you say white countries instead of Europe. How delightfully sneaky. What you're implying here is that countries where whites are immigrants or descendants of immigrants rightfully belong to whites, despite the fact that the basis of your "genocide" argument is immigration! Am I wrong? Why else would you choose to say white countries instead of Europe?

Oh, I get it. Whites are special. Whites deserve more than just Europe: they deserve any and all countries they've immigrated to. But non-whites, oh no, they should just stay put, and if white people come and take over, they can just suck it up.

Also: you do know there's more than just three continents on Earth, right...? I find it very convenient that Australia is left out here. Its inclusion would would be simply embarrassing to your argument: Australia is a formerly-nonwhite country/continent which has become white-majority, completely defeating the notion that only white countries experience mass immigration. Furthermore, in Australia, this process was in part genocidal, making your claims about white genocide look extremely petty.
"Everybody says there is this RACE problem."
They do? When did this happen? Who is "everybody"?   
"Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries."
Yeah, again, who says this? I can assure you, it is certainly not "everybody". I've never heard anybody make this claim.
"The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and 'assimilating' with them."
I don't even know where to begin with this one. Okay...Japan is not crowded. Japan's population is actually collapsing and showing no signs of slowing down. And yes, people are realizing that the only way this can be fixed is for Japan to relax its stance on immigration.

And I still don't know where the hell you're getting the claim that everybody thinks The Netherlands and Belgium have a "race problem" and it can only be fixed by immigration. You seem to be confused about what actually causes immigration: it's not caused by "everybody" saying it should happen. People don't just pick up and move to another country just because "oh, everybody is saying we should flood white countries, let's go!" That's just not how it works, sorry.

C'mon people, let's go! We got a race problem to fix! Hurry up, Europe ain't gonna fix itself!

 People immigrate for many reasons, but for Europe and "white countries", a malicious attempt to usurp white people is not one of the reasons. It's not something that's done lightly. Have you lived in more than one house during your life? Do you remember moving to the new house? It's kind of a pain in the ass, isn't it?

A better question is, do you remember why you moved? You already have a home: why move? Were you forced out of your old home? Is your new home better than your old one? Sorry to disappoint you, but non-whites aren't just mindless drones who swarm a location just because they can: they actually have similar thought processes that anybody else does when moving to a new location.

One only needs to realize that Europe, Australia, and North America have some of the highest standards of living in the world, to understand why people from other continents want to immigrate.
"Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to 'assimilate,' i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites."
 Yeah, nobody says this. Even if they did, I fail to see what's so horrible about interracial marriage.
"What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?"
If you said that, do you really think it would mobilize thousands of non-black people? You think saying "we need to bring non-blacks into every black country" is some kind of magic phrase which would turn people into zombies and make them swarm into Africa? What is wrong with you?

So what if you said that? Nobody would care. I know you had political influence in the past, but you're not exactly the Queen of England. Also, you seem to be missing the crucial point that people don't want to move to black countries. That's the reason there's comparatively little immigration there. It's not some conspiracy...African countries overall tend to have a lower standard of living than European countries. If they had a higher standard of living, there would be an increase in immigration.
"How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?"
If you did actually say that, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't have any bearing on anything. If African countries had a HIGHER standard of living than European countries, Europeans would be immigrating to African countries regardless of what you say about the issue. It wouldn't be a conspiracy to wipe out Africans: it would be people migrating because they're looking for higher standards of living. Nutjobs like you, raving about immigration as a means to fix a "black problem", would be ignored, because you're completely out of touch with reality.
"And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?"
What kind of psycho would get all upset just because people with different phylogenetic traits are establishing a closer proximity to them?
"But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews."
Except it's not obvious. Immigration is not genocide.

I find it funny how white nationalists all want to distance themselves from the label of "Nazi". Only a few embrace the term or partake in skinhead culture. The rest are quick to denounce these people as a non-existent stereotype or at least reject these labels. But when you're confronted with the reality that you are linked with neo-Nazis and skinheads by a common "white pride" ideology, how willing are you to speak out against them? They're more your friend than your enemy, are they not? And yet, on the surface, you want to appear respectable, so you take every chance you get to deny that you sympathize with any Nazi ideology.
"They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white."
Alright, let me get this straight. An anti-white is someone who claims to be anti-racist? So you don't like people who claim to be anti-racist, regardless of whether they're actually racist towards whites or not.

I'm an anti-racist. However, I reject this notion that this automatically means I'm "anti-white". I am against racism, period. Towards any socially determined group of people. That includes whites. Anti-racist is not a codeword for anything. This accusation is nothing but paranoia.


The Hijacking of Beliefs and Symbols


Next, I'd like to address some of the occult and religious ideologies which have gained notoriety from being associated with neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

Humans in general borrow symbols all the time. The Biblical cross was not always a religious symbol: it was a torture device used by the Romans. Symbols help to unite groups of people under a common identity, which is why they are so powerful.

White nationalists and supremacists are no exception, but they have the added effect of demonizing whatever symbols they choose to "borrow", effectively ruining them for everybody else.

The most obvious example of this is the swastika. An ancient symbol of esoteric values dating back to the Bronze Age Indus Valley, it was first used a racist symbol by Nazi Germany during World War II, and continues to be used today by various white pride organizations. The symbol is now banned in modern-day Germany.

Oh look, a pinwheel!

The Nazis merged many other occult symbols into their collective identity, many of which are not commonly known to most people today, such as the black sun. However, many other symbols and occult ideologies the Nazis took an interest in are rising in popularity among white nationalists and supremacists, both as individuals and as organizations.

Most notably, I refer to Norse paganism, which can be referred to under a few different labels, such as "Odinism", "Norse neopaganism", "Germanic neopaganism", or "Asatru".

These beliefs take many forms, and can be interpreted any number of ways, with the common uniting factor being a focus on Norse mythology. I must make one thing very clear: not everybody who practices these beliefs is a racist. In fact, most people who practice some form of Odinism or have an interest in it, are not racist, and resent neo-Nazis giving it a bad name.

There is some confusion over whether Hitler himself desired a revival of occult European belief systems, or rather rejected all notions of organized religion. A member of the SS, Karl Maria Wiligut, along with Heinrich Himmler, are probably responsible for the Nazi attempt at a revival of Norse occultism. Wiligut modified the Elder Futhark runic alphabet, and began using some of the symbols on flags and uniforms. A rune called "Algiz", which represents "life" or "death", depending on how it's positioned, was also used on gravestones to mark the "birth" and "death" dates of somebody.

Are they going to hijack peace signs next?

Today, the use of Norse mythological beliefs and symbols is much more prevalent among white pride movements than it was in Nazi Germany. Since the swastika is banned in some places, and claiming a group as merely a religious group can offer tax-exempt status in some countries, Odinism serves as an effective tool for recruiting and uniting racists.

The "life" rune, "Algiz", continues to be one of the most commonly-used runes. It shows up on flags, picket signs, and in the logo for the National Alliance (a neo-Nazi organization):

Oh look, a peace sign!

Another commonly-seen rune is "Odal", which means "heritage". First used by a division of the Nazi SS, it is now used by many neo-Nazi organizations and individuals.
It's also a racism awareness ribbon. I wear the black for my old Uncle Cleetus.

A general defining motif of Odinism, somewhat comparable to the Christian crucifix, is the Mjolnir, the hammer of Thor. Many people who practice Odinism wear this symbol, often as a pendant, or as a tattoo. It is also worn by other pagans or people who simply have an aesthetic appreciation for it. Since the revival of Norse paganism among white nationalists however, the Mjolnir has gained considerable favor among them.
And yeah, they're probably compensating for something (which is why you never see black men wearing it).

Another Norse symbol, although not part of the runic alphabet, known as the "Valknut", is a recent addition to neo-Nazi imagery (and can also be seen on the banner for this blog).
Non-racists such as myself enjoy this symbol. Suck it, neo-Nazis.

So is the use of these beliefs justified? Is Odinism inherently racist?

Well, that's the great thing about belief systems: you can interpret them any way you want to. You can use symbols any way you want to.

From Stormfront:





My response to this melodramatic whining is simple: If you want to believe "Odinism IS the white race" (despite the fact that it isn't the only indigenous belief system in Europe, and arguably only applies to Scandinavians), or that Vikings cared about "racial purity", you can go ahead and do that. If you want to believe that every other interpretation of this religion is incorrect, you can do that. Nobody is stopping you.

But you aren't going to stifle other interpretations. You aren't going to stop people like me from wearing Mjolnir pendants even though I'm not even an Odinist. You're not going to convince me that Odinism is only for white people.

I find ideas of cultural homogeneity to be fallacious. There is no such thing as a pure culture. Everything came from something else, and every culture has been influenced by some other culture. Furthermore, to suggest that only people with certain DNA can practice certain beliefs, is a petty mindset which has laid the foundation for many conflicts and wars. I might also add that only a tiny amount of genetic variation in the human genome accounts for racial diversity. Anybody who argues that their traditions belong to them, and cannot be practiced by people who are different, are arguing that their their <0.1% difference in phenotype makes them special. 

Many nationalists will argue that all people are special, and all deserve to retain their cultural heritage. However, in the face of history, where culture and genome have never been stagnant, and never been pure, it's an empty sentiment.

You are not special. Nobody is special. Nobody has a right to tell anybody else that they cannot use certain beliefs or symbols just because of a tiny difference in genetic phenotype.

Ironically, nationalists will often argue that mixed-race people are inherently devoid of heritage: yet it is precisely the mindset that they perpetuate, that heritage belongs to the "pure", which oppresses mixed-race people and restricts them from seeking cultural expression.

Ironically, this is possibly the whitest thing I've ever seen.

Jews


I'll probably address this at length in its own post, but for now, I just want to summarize this belief which seems to be a requirement for being a white nationalist, and not only that, but a cornerstone of the ideology. It's terribly cliche and unoriginal at this point, but here it is:

White nationalists hate Jews. They think Jews are evil. They think Jews rule the world and want to kill all white people, because white people are the only ones smart enough to overthrow the Jews, so obviously killing all the white people is a crucial step towards world domination.

Part of the plan is to make terrible movies which will make people question their will to live.

For obvious reasons, the Jews-are-evil trope is nothing more than paranoia: anybody can be a Jew. It doesn't matter what "race" you are or where you're from: Jew  is not a race. Just look at Rob Schneider. You don't even have to be born into it: you can convert to Judaism if you please.

So unless you have some kind of proof that Judaism is like a magic spell which transforms people into evil world-dominating psychos, shut up.

65 comments:

  1. Here I debunk some of the White Nationalist claims about Jews:
    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a FAKE

    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1797/whats-the-story-with-the-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

    The Myth of Jewish Bolshevism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

    Expulsions of Jews

    The anti-Semites like to claim that Jews have been expelled from every place 
    they ever lived. Let's examine that. 

    Jews have never been expelled from these: 

    All of North America 
    All of Central America 
    All of South America 
    All of Asia 
    All of Africa 
    Australia 

    Sweden, Norway, Denmark,Holland,Serbia,Ireland, Scotland,Iraq, Jordan, 
    Finland,Estonia and Switzerland. 

    The Real Truth about the Talmud

    http://talmud.faithweb.com/

    Facts about Judaism

    http://www.jewfaq.org/index.shtml

    Kosher Tax Myth

    http://www.fighthatred.com/recent-events/national-political-hate/720-the-kosher-tax-myth

    Evidence of the Holocaust

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.culture.jewish/holocaust$20evidence$20links%7Csort:date/soc.culture.jewish/lYUjjImiIKA/Djl4pE8fmyUJ


    Jewish Contributions To Mankind

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.culture.jewish/contributions$20of$20jews%7Csort:date/soc.culture.jewish/uCEShKZMGtM/piHlm7F2wHUJ


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  2. "And yeah, they're probably compensating for something (which is why you never see black men wearing it)."

    So, not only are you a self-proclaimed race traitor and nigger lover, but also a black supremacist in that you consider black men sexually superior. I thought everyone was equal!

    Proof that the holocaust is a freemasonic, zionist, and communist conspiratorial hoax:
    http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/

    Booyah!!! How is that nigger husband business of yours working out? I hope you sterilize yourself first before indulging. We don't need any more half-breeds running around.

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    1. It was a joke meant to upset racists. I'm not a black supremacist.

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  3. I suppose as well then that this gentleman is compensating for something. I wonder what it could be?
    http://www.meetup.com/asatru-249/members/9843450/ (it is hard to see in his new photo, but what is that around his neck?)

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    1. Again, it was a joke. I think it's cool that a black guy is wearing something which would make white supremacists upset.

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  4. To be fair (excuse the pun), if white nationalism is the key and USA is becoming 'too chocolaty' then the European low birth rate can easily be fixed by choice. Have those same people in USA who believe as such, return to their country of origin and repopulate their original homelands. Solved, the European low birth rate. As facts are stubborn things, these Nationalist will never return to their original 'homelands because they will now lack the imagined priviledge they believe they had and they will be like foreigners in their land. I could be wrong in my assessment but I just can never see these nationalists moving back so they are forced to live an illusion and be petrified by their own mental creations.

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  5. There is no difference between white nationalists and supremacists. White supremacists invented the white nationalist term so they wouldn't be labelled supremacists, but it fools no one.

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    1. I agree 100%. I have been thinking about modifying this post to reflect that. I might just make a whole new post about it though.

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    2. Yeah, a "white nationalist", is a white supremacist who doesn't want to admit it . If wns didn't believe whites were superior, why would they want an all white country?

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    3. They try to say it's all about love for their own race and preserving their race. Unfortunately that involves not letting any nonwhite people anywhere near you or your country, and teaching your kids not to date nonwhite people. So yeah, it's very racist and it's dumb.

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    6. It's not for the Love of our race? Or preservation of our race? You can say why we fight? You assume we would never let non-whites into or around our country?Countries? Why? We most assuredly would not run an EU/US Western based Immigration policy. Most of us believe Multiculturalism is a failure. As many politicians in Europe believe since it's brought ethnic warfare and open riots like between Kurds and Salifist in Germany. Crime against locals is rampant with Gangs of youths forming with others from whichever home country they belong. As for Mixed marriages or couples you'd be free to do what you want but we would not openly promote Diversity as they do here. To us it's no strength. Are you calling Jews Racists. I see Rabbis reminding their flock to marry Jewish. Are many blacks racist? Many want their sons and daughters to marry black.How dare you call Jews and blacks racist. You are a black hating Anti Semite

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    7. >"Can you prove "Invented" the term White Nationalist" to not be called "White Supremacist" smarty pants?"

      If you want to communicate with me, you need to be coherent, smarty pants. Your sentence literally makes no sense. If English isn't your first language, maybe use an online translator to translate your own words into English.

      >"I've been a White Nationalist for almost 25 years. I'm sure you'll change it anyway to try and demonize us further"

      I don't "demonize" anybody. You do that to yourself. All I do is present facts. If I've gotten any facts incorrect, you're free to point them out and make corrections.

      >"Many of us have never wanted supremacy over other races just the right to a Homeland"

      You already have a homeland. If you believed all humans are equal, you would not have an issue with humans mixing, migrating, and sharing cultures and lands. But you do have a problem with that, which suggests that you do not believe all humans are equal. So that's why I consider white nationalism to just be a clever term for white supremacy.

      >"to call us all White Supremacist i very unoriginal."

      I'm not trying to be original. I'm trying to be rational.

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    8. >"It's not for the Love of our race? Or preservation of our race?"

      I'm sure it is, but my point is that it's irrational. Human evolution has never been stagnant and never will be.

      >"You can say why we fight?"

      Yes. I've spoken to many WNs and seen many WN figureheads talk about why you fight. I notice WNs have trouble agreeing amongst themselves, so you're not always consistent (one says they fight for preservation, another says they fight to undermine Jews, others are more overtly supremacist and simply want to kill nonwhites, etc). But yes I have a pretty good general idea.

      >"You assume we would never let non-whites into or around our country?Countries? Why?"

      Because every single WN I've spoken to or read articles about espouses this ideology.

      >"We most assuredly would not run an EU/US Western based Immigration policy. Most of us believe Multiculturalism is a failure. As many politicians in Europe believe since it's brought ethnic warfare and open riots like between Kurds and Salifist in Germany."

      I don't care what you believe. I care about facts. Your ideology is not factual or rational. End of story.

      >"Crime against locals is rampant with Gangs of youths forming with others from whichever home country they belong."

      That's a form of tribalism and I hate to break it to you, but that occurs in homogeneous countries too, just with different factors.

      >"As for Mixed marriages or couples you'd be free to do what you want"

      For the record, you're literally the FIRST WN I've ever spoken to who's ever said that. I think most of your fellow WNs would be pretty unhappy with what you just said. Interracial marriages don't produce white babies (usually), so WNs don't usually like it.

      >"but we would not openly promote Diversity as they do here."

      I don't know where you're from, so I don't know what "here" refers to. I live in the United States however, where diversity actually exists. So when I see it represented, I don't consider it "promoting" as much as just showing what's already there.

      >"Are you calling Jews Racists."

      If you're asking a question, you need to use a question mark. I only call racists "racist". This is common sense: you know I am anti-racist, so you accusing me of discriminating based on race is really weird honestly.

      >"I see Rabbis reminding their flock to marry Jewish."

      I thought you would see that as a positive thing. You want to force the same kind of ideology on white people.

      >"Are many blacks racist? Many want their sons and daughters to marry black."

      Why are you asking me this? Do you seriously not know the answer?

      >"How dare you call Jews and blacks racist."

      I don't call Jews, blacks, whites, Asians, or any other racial group "racist". That makes no sense. I call RACISTS racist.

      >"You are a black hating Anti Semite"

      No, sorry. I'm a racist hating anti-racist.

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    11. >"You really think he literally meant EVERYONE, like you, your neighbor, your Gardner? No. He meant the people who count. The lawmakers, Zionist controlled media (promoting Multiculturalism and diversity), etc etc."

      I've never seen any of those people say "there is this race problem", and the solution to it is 3rd world immigrants.

      >"Obama's amnesty to 5 million illegals"

      Obama has also deported more illegal immigrants than ANY OTHER PRESIDENT. Also, granting amnesty to 5 million is still not supportive of the claims made in "the mantra": allowing brown people to live in the US is not white genocide, and it's not an admission to a "race problem" that needs to be fixed by brown people. Also, it's not really practical or affordable to deport 5 million people, and keep them out. The US borders are enormous, and even the Great Wall of China did not succeed in securing China's Northern border.

      >"Do you see any people of the 3rd world running to Japan, South Korea?"

      Yes, and China also. Many Africans are immigrating to China.

      >"You may see them try, like the Muslim Rakhine in Myanmar sneaking into Thailand but they are quickly apprehended and put in camps."

      It's incredibly naive of you to assume that this is wholly effective, or that it would work in the US (also: it's unethical). You hear about the illegal immigrants who got caught BECAUSE THEY GOT CAUGHT. There are many illegal immigrants in Asian countries who DON'T get caught. And that's just considering these East Asian countries which are relatively small: the US has much wider borders than any East Asian country (unless you count Russia).

      >" The Eritreans have tried to enter Israel and many have been put in "Concentration camps" for daring to invade The borders of your chosen race."

      That's unethical.

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    12. >"Yes, I figured out who you really are."

      I'm not trying to hide it.

      >"You have a youtube video with this exact same claim and every argument almost word for word."

      No I don't. If I did, I would promote it here on this blog so more people would see it. I do have a youtube channel but there are no videos on it right now because I don't have a video camera. I'm not the first one to debunk "the mantra" though. If you look on youtube you'll find many different people with the same argument as me. It's not terribly difficult to debunk.

      >"The ugly frizzy haired little Zionist Jewish guy"

      No, sorry.

      >"and let me give you advice, the condescending and arrogant way you speak."

      If you think this blog is "condescending" that's a personal problem. Also, you said you wanted to give me advice, where is the advice?

      >"I'd wan't to oppose any opinion you had, even if I agreed."

      That's incredibly irrational.

      >"I can see why you created this fake White race mixer. (I hope you asked their permission before using the pic) ."

      What pic? All the pictures of interracial couples that I use are stock photos, and I never claimed that they were me.

      >"You created this blog and identity because you think you are so superior to us you can destroy any argument against Multikulti propaganda Ha Ha."

      No...I created this blog because I want to educate people about facts. If your ideology is not factual, then I will debunk it, sorry. If I've gotten anything incorrect, again, you're free to point it out. Also, the identity "genocidal race traitor" is just a small part of who I am (this isn't a blog about my life, after all), but it is not inaccurate in its representation. I chose this name because this is what WNs call me: I am white, and I don't care what color my friends or partners are. To WNs, I am a genocidal race traitor.

      >"but Only the EU, USA, UK and other "Majority" or Ethnically White Nations are luring them in with "Asylum grants" and benefits they can't get anywhere else"

      Incorrect. China has a lot of African immigrants, especially Guangzhou. Some African countries also are having an influx.

      >"So I'm afraid I just debunked you."

      You cannot debunk a person, this is impossible: you debunk arguments. You did not debunk any of my arguments, sorry.

      >"If not saying by words The people who shape our foreign policies have made a conscious decision to flood White nations for Forced Assimilation in the names of multikulti and diversity (Breeding out the White European aka Genocide), The same "Multiculturalism" that Europeans are calling a failure."

      Cite objective evidence for your claims. "Multiculturalism" is not included in the definition for "genocide". In order to debunk the fact that multiculturalism is not genocide, you need to cite objective evidence which proves that it is in fact genocide.

      >"German Chancellor Angela Merkel stated "Germany’s attempt to replicate America’s melting pot had “utterly failed”."

      This, and the other quotes, are not facts, they are opinions, sorry. You need to cite facts. Currently I am the only one who has cited facts which support my argument: you have only cited opinions and made assumptions. This is not effective.

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    13. >"Once again, you take it literally. Exactly the same as you did on youtube MR. Rosenberg or whatever name was on the account."

      Once again, you make assumptions about me without any proof. I find this is a very common thing for WNs to do.

      >"I suggest you go to youtube and watch the "White Rabbit Radio" animation on Africa being overrun with non blacks."

      Already have. Unfortunately, cartoons are not objective evidence. Shocking, I know.

      >"He does not mean literrally anyone could make a proclamation to order non-blacks to go to Africa and they would go but if for some reason Africa or China was suddenly being overrun with an influx of third world immigrants not black or Chinese it would not be tolerated for long."

      Yes it would, and it is. Although, saying "third world immigrants" in relation to China is somewhat redundant since many parts of China are considered "third world" already. Same with many African countries. However, the fact is there are a lot of non-Chinese immigrants in China, and non-African immigrants in some African countries, and they are not being deported. You need to check your facts before you make claims like this.

      >"Believe it or not, I work in 3rd world countries much of each year. I haven't been to Africa but I can tell you they are quite Nationalistic where there borders are concerned."

      So, you work in 3rd world countries, which I assume is supposed to help support your argument, yet you admit you've never been to Africa, then tell me they're all Nationalistic. Africa is not a country, it's a continent. Every country has different ethnic groups, cultures, and laws. Do not try and portray Nationalistic laws as a positive thing (especially when we've established that much of Africa is "third world"), or say that all African countries have such laws.

      >"I have been to China and they are also very picky about who they allow to work or even enter their country. Failure to follow their strict Visa protocols can get you banned from returning and or jailed or fined."

      So...what's your argument? What's your point? You've cited a fact, but you are not telling me how this supports your argument.

      >"Have to go but my last comments were meant to copy your attitude."

      You did a poor job. My attitude is rational and fact-based. I agree you should try to copy this though.

      >"if whites wan't their own to marry their own. This should not be racist. Yet according to you it is."

      No, I don't have that authority, sorry. The very word "racist" means that you judge people based on race. I didn't invent that word. Marrying someone based on melanin content is racist. It fits the definition, sorry.

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    14. >" While I said "It's up to you in any sovereign White Nation to mix races or not" We would strongly promote racial pride and marrying within our own race."

      Great. You go do that. Don't be surprised when people point out it's racist though.

      >"I'm assuming we would want to be friendly with the world."

      Make up your mind. Nationalism isn't terribly friendly. You just said how immigrants in East Asian countries are apprehended or put in concentration camps. This may surprise you, but that's actually not friendly behavior.

      >" So you could intermarry but it would be strongly discouraged in our non Zionist media."

      That literally makes no sense. If non-European immigration is not allowed, then marrying a non-European would not be feasible. Also, outright discouraging it is just as bad as favoring it in media. You're just as bad as the supposed media you claim to hate.

      Also, again, I think that most other WNs would be pretty unhappy with you saying that interracial marriages should be allowed. I'd like to see you say that on stormfront or something. Your fellow WNs would probably tear you apart. I've talked to people on stormfront before and every single person who spoke to me said that they want to ban interracial marriage, and deport or kill existing interracial couples. How friendly.

      >"You call us racist for wanting whites to marry whites so i'm guessing you think blacks, Chinese, Jews that feel the same way about marrying their own racist as well."

      This is the third time I'm answering this, so you can stop asking. If you will only consider marrying someone who belongs to the same racial class as you, you are racist. That is the definition of "racist".

      >"Many times when people criticise Israel or Jews they are labeled "anti-semetic" and "blacks" Racists."

      Yeah, criticizing people based on race is racist. If you care so much about what other people think of you and call you, then you might want to try not being racist. Then people won't call you one.

      >"so if you follow your way of thought with all races. Many would call you racist and a self hating Jew."

      No, again, I do not call any racial group "racist", I only call racists "racist". I would only be self-hating if I myself were a racist. But, I am not a racist, so I am not self-hating. It's pretty self-explanatory, I don't know why you're having trouble grasping this. I do not discriminate based on race. Also, I never said I was jewish (or indeed a zionist). I find this is a very common thing with WNs, whenever they disagree with me they refuse to believe that I am white like them. They always just think I must be jewish. This may shock you, but not all white people are WNs. In fact, you're a fringe. Most white people are NOT WNs. It is incredibly paranoid for you all to assume that all white people who disagree with you must be jews.

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    15. >"I'll get back to anything else later."

      This implies you've gotten back to anything in the first place. Your comments are simply a mess of unfounded claims and assumptions. You have barely addressed any of my arguments, and when you have, all you've done is offered cartoons and politicians' quotes. You've barely stated any facts, and when you have, you've neglected to detail why they support your ideology. Citing other countries' unethical immigration policies does not automatically support your argument: you need to actually build an argument around these facts, not just state them as if they are inherently desirable.

      >"I don't spend much time at stormfront."

      Good. They'd tear you apart if you ever told them you want to allow interracial marriage. You seem to care what other people think about you (you seem upset that you fit the definition of "racist", you don't seem to like that word), so the worst place you could possibly go is stormfront. You're only welcome there if you walk in ideological lockstep with them.

      >"I found this blog looking for a song i liked. I found it on youtube with your horrible video and this blog parroting the video."

      Again, if I had an active youtube channel, I would promote it on this blog to attract more traffic to it. If you spend more time on youtube looking at anti-racists, there are multiple people debunking the mantra in the same way I do.

      >"I'll share the video with stormfront."

      I would thank you for the exposure, but again, that's not my video. I wish I had a youtube channel (I plan to one day) but I don't.

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    16. >"So you can stop this fake identity,"

      I know it's hard to believe, but there are actually white people who aren't WNs. That part of my identity which I show on this blog is not false. I realize I am making this claim without evidence, but that's because I don't care what people think of me. My identity is an integral part of this blog, but it's not the overall purpose and it does not affect the facts which are presented here (ultimately, that's what matters, the facts which debunk racist ideology). I know that I am white (I have mostly German Catholic ancestry, I have no nonwhite ancestry that I know of), but whether or not you know it is of no consequence to me (because I'm not racist: I don't care about race or what you think of my race).

      If I were jewish there'd be no point hiding this either...again, I don't care about race. You have expressed repeated confusion about what anti-racist means: you mistakenly keep thinking that race somehow matters to me, that I would find jewish heritage to be something worthy of hiding, or that I have some kind of double-standard applied to who I call "racist". No. All you're doing is supporting my point that WNs tend to make irrational assumptions about people (and groups of people) without anything to back it up.

      Character assassination (especially based on race alone) is an extremely weak sophist tactic. If you want to hurt me, you need to address my arguments. It's ironic you would create a conspiracy theory around my identity when you're in the same position I am: anonymous, on the internet. You could be anybody. YOU could be a jew. You could be David Cole, Jewish holocaust denier, trying to help out WNs. You could be a woman. You could be a black bisexual drag queen. The only difference between you and me is, I don't give a flying shit if you're a jew. I don't give a flying shit who you are, or what your heritage is. All I care about is facts, and whether or not your ideology holds up to facts.

      So you can stop this fake posturing and start debunking my arguments next time. This is usually the part where the WN calls me names and refuses to address my arguments because "I don't have enough time", or "your arguments are too stupid for me to address" or some lame excuse, when in fact you just can't muster up the necessary evidence and you don't want to admit it. You could also just pretend that you didn't get this reply and never reply again. Your move.

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    17. Ok. I went through some of your other arguments and have a better understanding of you're sad way of thinking to save us a little time. You don't believe in borders, There is no race but the Human Race. It's a basic Human right to relocate wherever you wan't. The basic Marxist Internationalist B.S You didn't deny a "Race" problem. Just that anyone was saying 3rd world immigrants would solve it.

      That's a tricky one to prove although I've heard the theory parroted by people like you enough. Mostly by European backpacker anarchist/hippie types using the 3rd world as their personal party paradise.I frequent local expat Bars when I make it into larger cities and run into them. I try and stay off of the subject of politics but have heard the theory "once we are all mixed there won't be racism" They also only believe in "A human race" Only once in Chiapas, southern mexico did they bother to notice all the WN tattoos covering my body. Antifa from Germany.They sent a girl over to debate me and warn me that it would be dangerous for me to visit Germany Antifa is strong and don't tolerate WNs. Ha ha. Tell that to HoGeSa. and the Hooligan supporters. I think if you were honest you'd agree with them. You wan't an end to even the idea of a race. I, believe the people that are guiding their actions are the Zionist controlled groups like Barbara Lerner Spectre: I'm sure you've read of her work and seen the video. Here's her quote.

      I think there’s a resurgence of antisemitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural, and I think we’re gonne be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive"

      Then theirs that Hate group SPLC. Marc Potoc. he says:

      We jews are a collective society and because Jews are so outnumbered. They work collectively and secretly to undermine the white christian societies that host them and urge them to intermarry.Jews try to weaken Christianity. Jews try to weaken the interests of white people. The whole reason for that is so white society's can be weakened and the Jews won't get attacked in pogroms and so on.

      Now I've given you examples of a powerful lobby admitting to working to weaken our societies and the 1st one spreading and promoting Multikulti gospel from a Zionist pulpit. You just have to connect the dots but I think these were big mistakes. I hear Mrs Spectre didn't know the Mic was on and got in trouble. I'm surprised someone in SPLC would slip and admit such a thing but we've always known it.
      You can pick at that all you want but if I run into idiots that think this way about one wonderful race. I'm sure many of you'r red pals think the same. I'm afraid this is considered Genocide. Now the people I've talked about want one big race but Zionist groups are promoting diversity only in White countries. If you can't see it just go to many Zionist websites promoting literature glowing with diversity.

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    18. I realize WN are a fringe but we are slowly moving forward. Maybe not in America but Europe is surging with a new Nationalism. In Greece the Golden Dawn is already #3 party as are the Nationalist groups in Sweden, UK, France, I think even Denmark. if the Golden Dawn get power i'd happily volunteer my time to help. They recently did a study to find out weather young people were joining for Economic or Racial feeling and most said Racial feeling. Only reason I bring this up to you is because you should now I'm not so far off politically from how many people are beginning to feel in parts of Europe and now feeling with their cultures and identities threatened.

      I've gone over many of your posts and replies with people from Stormfront. You pick the youngest that would say things like "Kill all race mixers" I've argued with many about posting inflammatory views as enemies like you are always watching and will use anything against us from gaining a more mainstream following. Anyone you've talked to gave personal opinions but I can assure you we would not seek to kill anyone. People like you may need a re-education camp as antifa fanatics would surely be terrorist threats to a society we ran or Deportation. I still think you're that Jewish guy, for some reason hiding yourself. That's fine.

      As for China. I've been there a few times. Mostly Beijing and I can promise you there may be small flows of Immigrants to those areas I'd have to look it up but I can already tell you there isn't any mass migration into China from the 3rd world. That was a bit disingenuous to use those areas when I asked of places outside Europe that get 3rd world people. Having been all through Southeast Asia I can only think of 1 place which is Bangkok that gets any significant immigration and it's a minor Ethnic Chinese and few from Myanmar that escaped being caught by border guards or Bandit slave traders looking to sell them to Indonesia for slave labor.

      As for caring what people say about me personally. I don't. care I'd sacrifice my life if need be for my race. I have sacrificed more than you could know\since I was brought in after learning from my Uncle who had spent his life working with pro German and White nationalist groups. I became active in 1989 It's the WN movement I am defending from those who slander it with catchy media phrases like "White Supremacist" Call me whatever you like. I've been called all the names. Before the internet my address and name was put into Anti racist newsletters with other patriots for stupid reasons.


      Finally I'll get to the point on how it's Genocide but I'm sure you have tread it before. As I've seen you quote from the UN charter incorrectly stating there needs to be actual killing for a genocide. That is incorrect.

      “There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.” – General Wesley Clark
      (I assume through mass immigration from 3rd world as that is whats happening)

      Here is White Genocide
      ▪ Moving millions of non-White immigrants into traditionally White countries over a period of years. This alone is not genocide, but the next step makes it a part of genocide.

      ▪ Legally chasing down and forcing White areas to accept “diversity“. This is known as “Forced Assimilation“.

      A combination of mass immigration (of different groups of people) plus forced assimilation would qualify as genocide, as defined by Article II, part (C) of the United Nations Genocide Conventions:

      “Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”

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    19. This is the same as what is happening to the Tibetan people. I see all your lefty friends weeping for Tibetan genocide. I was quite touched meeting a guy from Tibet while in Beijing. He helped me get around and I got him to walk with me to the bars and have a drink rather than just tea he was always guzzling. I don't hate non whites or have a sense of superiority over them. Many of the people I work with are non white and I'm stuck in areas where English is unknown and I need sign language to get things. That inner tribalism you speak of is always yearning to be with ones own kind.. Weather you'll admit it or not there are differences in races like DNA It;s hard wired into us to be with people like us. Take state prisons. They are primitive, Jungle like, and extremely ethnocentric environments. Whites have their tables, phones, rec areas as do the other races. If a white wants to use a Mexican phone they ask permission from the "Shot caller" (leader). This would be the unfortunate state this world would end up in if you had your way of stateless Anarchy or whatever you call it. Different races would hurry to claim the best real estate for themselves.. You people thought Communism would be a workers paradise. Instead you got a gigantic gulag responsible for over 100 million deaths

      You also claim we make up excuses for not debating you. Why would we care to argue with you? You are of no importance. When I came across the blog i don't think anyone had posted in months. After reading your past arguments you are completely close minded on any race issue. We gain nothing as you are already ideologically opposed to everything we believe. I don't have the time to waste my short time left in the US before leaving again, debating a fact you refuse to accept. There is no debate that The west will be quite different racially at this state of immigration and forced assimilation. I'm sure you'll say "nobody's forcing anyone to marry non whites" I quoted The The ex leader of France threatening assimilation or possible sanctions. Plus Strategically hunting white areas down and calling them "To white" like Obama has done and ordering immigrants to those areas sure looks like a long term plan of "forced assimilation. people naturally want to breed. Same thing is happening to Tibet. The han Chinese have been forcing a Genocide on the Tibetan people for years. I find it hard to believe you'd deny a Tibetan genocide but if you agree in Tibetan Genocide you have to admit to a White genocide. Not to mention 2 other White Genocides in effect in Africa. The Boer farmers are being murdered as are the White's in Zimbabwe. Mugabe doesn't even deny it. He recently ordered out the final whites. never to come back. Even Official GenocideWatch has South African Boer near the highest alert level.

      I leave you with the Dali Lama:
      “The unabated influx of immigrants to (our country), has the effect of overwhelming (our) distinct cultural and religious identity and reducing (my people) to an insignificant minority in their own country, amounts to a policy of cultural genocide” – The Dalai Lama

      Don't call the Dali Lama a Liar. We already know your anti white. Anti Tibetan?

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    20. >"You didn't deny a "Race" problem."

      You have terrible reading comprehension.

      >"You wan't an end to even the idea of a race. I, believe the people that are guiding their actions are the Zionist controlled groups like Barbara Lerner Spectre: I'm sure you've read of her work and seen the video."

      There is no reason you should be "sure" of this. I've never mentioned this person. I've also stated numerous times now that I only care about facts, I don't care about politicians or talking heads or their opinions. Refrain from making assumptions in the future.

      >" Here's her quote."

      No thanks. I told you in my last reply that quotes are not objective evidence.

      >"Then theirs that Hate group SPLC. Marc Potoc. he says:"

      I really don't care what he has to say.

      >"Now I've given you examples of a powerful lobby admitting to working to weaken our societies"

      Incorrect. You've given an example of the opinion of one woman (I had to look her up, she is the founder of an academic institution, not a politician), and one guy from the SPLC.

      >"and the 1st one spreading and promoting Multikulti gospel from a Zionist pulpit."

      I'd hardly call that "gospel" of any kind. It's just her opinion. Most anti-racists are not terribly dogmatic so you won't really see us clinging to anything resembling "gospel".

      >"You just have to connect the dots but I think these were big mistakes. I hear Mrs Spectre didn't know the Mic was on and got in trouble."

      Please explain how this is relevant or how it addresses any of my arguments.

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    21. >"You can pick at that all you want but if I run into idiots that think this way about one wonderful race. I'm sure many of you'r red pals think the same."

      Think the same WHAT? Are you drunk? Half your sentences aren't even finished. Do you mean my red pals agree with this Jewish lady? There's absolutely no reason for you to assume such a thing. You do not know who my friends are or if they even know who this lady is. I read that she lives in Sweden...me and my friends live in the US, we've never heard of her. Refrain from making assumptions in the future, it is not a valid persuasive technique.

      >" I'm afraid this is considered Genocide."

      The Jewish lady's quote is genocide? No, sorry.

      >"Now the people I've talked about want one big race but Zionist groups are promoting diversity only in White countries."

      First of all: no they aren't.

      Secondly: "only white countries" is not a requirement for genocide. Genocide does not have to be exclusive to only one group of people to still be considered genocide. For example, if genocide was happening in white countries, it would still be happening to white countries even if it was also happening in black countries. So the phrase "ONLY white countries" is irrelevant. It does not need to be exclusive to be considered genocide. I'm not sure why WNs think it has to be exclusive.

      >"If you can't see it just go to many Zionist websites promoting literature glowing with diversity."

      I don't know what a "zionist website" is. Also, citing websites which promote diversity is not objective evidence for anything, including a white genocide.

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    22. >"I realize WN are a fringe but we are slowly moving forward. Maybe not in America but Europe is surging with a new Nationalism."

      My point in stating that you're a fringe was to remind you that there are white people such as myself who are not WNs, so it is irrational for you to automatically assume we're all jewish (besides the fact that making assumptions is a weak persuasive tactic).

      >"Only reason I bring this up to you is because you should now I'm not so far off politically from how many people are beginning to feel in parts of Europe and now feeling with their cultures and identities threatened."

      Again, not all white people are WNs.

      >"I've gone over many of your posts and replies with people from Stormfront. You pick the youngest that would say things like "Kill all race mixers""

      So you don't believe that I am white, but you do believe people on stormfront when they post their age. You are not skeptical of people who share your ideology apparently. You trust them unconditionally that they post their real age. Interesting. Not terribly rational.

      Also, sorry but I'm not ageist either. A person's age does not devalue what they say. I don't care how old those stormfronters are: it is irrelevant. What they say is what they believe and what they feel, and it is hateful and bigoted. I do not excuse them just because they are young, sorry.

      >"I've argued with many about posting inflammatory views as enemies like you are always watching and will use anything against us from gaining a more mainstream following."

      It is not my fault if WNs on stormfront post violent hate-speech in the forums. They need to take responsibility for that. Do not blame somebody else (like me) for simply pointing out the hateful bigotry that comes from the depths of this ideology. The hatred and bigotry is there, and everyone can see it with their own eyes. If it wasn't there to begin with, you wouldn't have a problem. Take responsibility and address the problem head-on if you don't like it, don't blame people like me just for noticing it.

      >" Anyone you've talked to gave personal opinions but I can assure you we would not seek to kill anyone."

      Contradictory statement. Many of those personal opinions expressed a desire to kill people. Also, WNs have actually been arrested for murder before, so plenty of them fulfill this desire.

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    23. >"People like you may need a re-education camp as antifa fanatics would surely be terrorist threats to a society we ran or Deportation."

      So you admit that you are a fascist, and you would like to forcibly "educate" people in "camps". You're defeating yourself here. I don't even have to say anything. If you have to force people to agree to your ideology using camps, that's probably a sign that your ideology is not terribly effective on its own. Facts are the most persuasive methods of argumentation, and if your ideology was plentiful in these, you would not HAVE to put me in a camp to make me agree with it. All you'd have to do is simply present the facts. But you haven't done this, and you apparently never will do this, because your ideology simply is not grounded in basic logic or facts. Thus, the need for camps to brainwash people. Absolutely pathetic.

      >" I still think you're that Jewish guy, for some reason hiding yourself. That's fine."

      I think you're projecting. I think you're David Cole, for some reason hiding yourself. That's fine.

      >"As for China. I've been there a few times. Mostly Beijing and I can promise you there may be small flows of Immigrants to those areas I'd have to look it up but I can already tell you there isn't any mass migration into China from the 3rd world."

      Cite objective evidence to support this claim. Your personal experience is not objective evidence.

      This is how you cite evidence:

      http://world.time.com/2012/06/20/a-nigerian-dies-in-china-and-racial-tensions-heat-up/

      ("At least 100,000 Africans are believed to live in Guangzhou...")

      Also consider:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

      Note that the countries with the highest immigration rates are African and Middle East countries.

      >"That was a bit disingenuous to use those areas when I asked of places outside Europe that get 3rd world people."

      Citing facts is not disingenuous.

      >"Having been all through Southeast Asia I can only think of 1 place which is Bangkok that gets any significant immigration"

      Your personal experience is not objective evidence for immigration rates.

      >"As for caring what people say about me personally. I don't. care"

      Then stop whining about people calling you racist. You fit the definition. Deal with it.

      >"I'd sacrifice my life if need be for my race."

      Irrelevant.

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    24. >"Finally I'll get to the point on how it's Genocide but I'm sure you have tread it before. As I've seen you quote from the UN charter incorrectly stating there needs to be actual killing for a genocide. That is incorrect."

      You have absolutely terrible reading comprehension if you think I ever said genocide=killing. Go read my post "White Genocide". I demonstrate there a full and comprehensive understanding of the UN's definition of genocide.

      >"“There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.” – General Wesley Clark"

      I really don't care what some random guy says. Are you going to cite objective evidence anytime soon?

      >"(I assume through mass immigration from 3rd world as that is whats happening)"

      Making assumptions is not rational.

      >"Here is White Genocide
      ▪ Moving millions of non-White immigrants into traditionally White countries over a period of years."

      That's not genocide, sorry. I've addressed this already in my other post "White Genocide". Nobody is "moving millions of non-white immigrants" anywhere. They are moving THEMSELVES because Europe and the US have comparably higher standards of living to their countries of origin.

      >"This alone is not genocide, but the next step makes it a part of genocide."

      If that alone is not genocide, then it is irrelevant.

      >"▪ Legally chasing down and forcing White areas to accept “diversity“. This is known as “Forced Assimilation“."

      Incorrect. Forced assimilation is when your self-determination is forcibly taken away, and you are forced to adopt a new culture. This happened to Ireland when the Roman Catholics invaded and made the Irish give up their Pagan religion and be Catholic instead. This is an example of forced assimilation. Currently, this is not happening in Europe. You still have the freedom to live where you want and believe what you want. In fact, it is the immigrants in some European countries who are having their freedom taken away: France, for example, has banned the wearing of Muslim head scarves. Conversely, expression of Catholic and Christian faith is still legal. You are not being forced to do anything: you still have your freedom. The fact you think mere immigration amounts to "forced assimilation" is an insult to people who have actually experienced being conquered by technologically advanced foreign powers and forced to adopt a new set of laws and cultures.

      >"A combination of mass immigration (of different groups of people) plus forced assimilation would qualify as genocide, as defined by Article II, part (C) of the United Nations Genocide Conventions:"

      No, immigration is not included in the UN Genocide Convention. Forced assimilation is, but this is not occurring currently in Europe, not to the white people. In fact, in regards to France banning the Muslim head scarf, it is the Arabs who are being forced to assimilate.

      >"“Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”"

      This is not happening in Europe.

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    25. >"This is the same as what is happening to the Tibetan people."

      Incorrect. The Chinese government is OCCUPYING Tibet. China now legally owns and controls Tibet. They accomplished this using military force. This is in no way comparable to European immigration. Immigrants from Africa and the Middle East are not equal to military forces trying to take over and politically occupy European countries.

      >"Weather you'll admit it or not there are differences in races like DNA"

      I don't admit things which aren't factual. Race is a social construct, not a biological one. I address this in great detail (with objective supporting evidence) in another post called "Race-Mixing is Unnatural".

      >" It;s hard wired into us to be with people like us"

      Often these instincts fall into other social constructs besides race and in fact ignore racial classifications. The best example of this is probably religion: Christianity in particular has (often forcibly) spread its influence across many different cultures and ultimately has shown potential to unite people regardless of skin color or social class. That it has divided people is also true, but my point is that "our own kind" may refer to any number of social constructs and people may bond over many different factors. It's not just race.

      >"Take state prisons. They are primitive, Jungle like, and extremely ethnocentric environments."

      I don't live in a prison, and I don't consider a prison to be a microcosm of society at large, and I don't think we should consider them ideal models for society at large either. Bad example all around, because I could do the same thing, and perhaps cite universities as an example: many universities are multicultural and people often mix and get along together, so therefore this supports my ideology that humans are not naturally racist.

      But I'm not going to do that, because that's a stupid example. It's incredibly myopic and lacks a solid factual basis for support of my argument. So I'm not going to use it, and I'm going to hold you to the same high standard.

      >"This would be the unfortunate state this world would end up in if you had your way of stateless Anarchy or whatever you call it."

      Actually, you're the one saying you want all the races separated (like they are in prison). Also, you cannot accuse me of being a Marxist and then also accuse me of being an Anarchist. They are total opposites. I cannot be both. Please make up your mind about which one you're assuming me to be.

      >"Different races would hurry to claim the best real estate for themselves.."

      What makes you think 3rd worlders could afford, conquer, or in any way obtain "the best real estate"?

      >"You also claim we make up excuses for not debating you. Why would we care to argue with you?"

      Uhhh...you tell me. You're the one doing it.

      >"You are of no importance."

      You sure are writing a lot to someone you consider to be of no importance. Got a lot of time on your hands or something?

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    26. >"When I came across the blog i don't think anyone had posted in months."

      Not quite. Last comment I got before yours was on Halloween.

      >"After reading your past arguments you are completely close minded on any race issue."

      On the other hand, I am quite open to factual information, so if you have anything of that nature, that would be great.

      >"We gain nothing as you are already ideologically opposed to everything we believe."

      However, I do not deny facts, in fact all I care about and all I talk about on this blog are facts, and objective information. So again, if you have anything of that nature to share with me, maybe some that support your ideology, then I would accept it.

      >"I don't have the time to waste my short time left in the US before leaving again, debating a fact you refuse to accept."

      Then what are you doing here? If you didn't want to debate me, you shouldn't have spoken to me. Also, you have cited no facts at all besides some unethical immigration policies in East Asia (which I do accept by the way), and you never elaborated on what those were supposed to prove.

      >"There is no debate that The west will be quite different racially at this state of immigration and forced assimilation."

      I never denied that immigration changes racial demographics. Do not put words in my mouth. It's common sense that immigration changes demographics.

      >"I'm sure you'll say "nobody's forcing anyone to marry non whites" I quoted The The ex leader of France threatening assimilation or possible sanctions."

      Nobody's forcing anyone to marry nonwhites.

      >"Plus Strategically hunting white areas down and calling them "To white" like Obama has done and ordering immigrants to those areas sure looks like a long term plan of "forced assimilation."

      No it doesn't. I went over this earlier. Immigration is not the same as forced assimilation.

      >"Same thing is happening to Tibet."

      No. That's insulting. The Chinese government forcibly took Tibet away from the Tibetans. It's a political occupation. This is not in any way comparable to laypeople immigrating.

      >"I find it hard to believe you'd deny a Tibetan genocide but if you agree in Tibetan Genocide you have to admit to a White genocide."

      As I pointed out, the situation in Tibet is not comparable to the situation in Europe.

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    27. >"Not to mention 2 other White Genocides in effect in Africa. The Boer farmers are being murdered as are the White's in Zimbabwe. Mugabe doesn't even deny it. He recently ordered out the final whites. never to come back. Even Official GenocideWatch has South African Boer near the highest alert level."

      So you consider GenocideWatch to be a valid source. Explain why GenocideWatch does not recognize the "worldwide white genocide" of "the mantra". Explain how the genocides in Africa are in any way comparable to you having to put up with 3rd world immigrants in Europe and the US. You should be ashamed of yourself. Those white farmers are being murdered and you are comparing their suffering, their ACTUAL genocide, to immigration. I bet a lot of those white people being genocided in Africa would slap you in the face if you talked to them and complained about a European white genocide via immigrants. You are an insult to their plight, and to anybody who is TRAPPED in a real genocide and has no real options or choices in their life. You live in the West, and can marry anyone you want and move anywhere you want, and you have the audacity to compare your situation to those farmers in Africa? You have got to be kidding me.

      >"I leave you with the Dali Lama:
      “The unabated influx of immigrants to (our country), has the effect of overwhelming (our) distinct cultural and religious identity and reducing (my people) to an insignificant minority in their own country, amounts to a policy of cultural genocide” – The Dalai Lama

      Don't call the Dali Lama a Liar. We already know your anti white. Anti Tibetan?"

      I'll call the Dalai Lama whatever I want, thanks. You took this quote out of context. Here is the original source:

      http://www.dalailama.com/messages/tibet/10th-march-archive/1997

      In this article, the Dalai Lama is talking about how the Chinese have taken legal measures to subjugate and erase the Tibetans' identity and culture, by outlawing uses of Tibetan language, cultural expression, and religious practices and expressions. The Chinese government is FORCING Tibetans to not speak Tibetan anymore and speak Chinese instead. This is not happening in Europe and it's simply offensive that you're suggesting that it is. The Dalai Lama is saying that these legal measures against Tibetans is oppressive to them and is a cultural genocide. This is not comparable to Europe at all, sorry.

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    28. I don't have time to go through a whole reply for now but you're really an idiot. I have friends in South Africa and they know about our fight and support us as we are kinsmen. I wasn't comparing Genocides. I was trying to find out if you'd admit to any white genocide. We support them and do all we can to give them support, media attention and aid packages Just for making that comment I'd probably slap you like the bitch you are were you in front of me. That's why you people never come near us and you deny being that Jew. you're afraid you might get knocked on your ass one of these days. We are under a Zionist Occupied Government as is All of Europe. yet you deny it. Tha'ts why I mention Tibet. It doesn't effect you but we that oppose it get targeted by pokice and FBI. Many friends are rotting in ZOG Gulags to this day.. You say it's not happening means nothing. I noticed you changed some wording I mentioned from your article so it doesn't exactly match the youtube video. Smart move. You're a fucking coward. Maybe I’ll get back another time but I'm not promoting your shitty site. for more people to waste time with you so can fix your crappy “No race, immigration is natural” blog. Nobody reads this crap and I notice the youtube videos only have 4-5 posters of antifa rabble. Why not be a man sometime. Next time you see a Skinhead, talk some of this crap to his face and insult him. Then see if you can count the seconds before you'd probably hit the fucking ground. Fuck off Jew!

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    29. "I don't have time to go through a whole reply for now"

      Then leave. You're the one that came here and wanted to speak to me. Commit to it or leave.

      >"but you're really an idiot. I have friends in South Africa and they know about our fight and support us as we are kinsmen."

      I shouldn't have to keep saying this: your personal experience is not objective evidence. That's like saying you have nonwhite friends so you're not racist. Just because you have white South African friends does not mean your comparison of European immigration to South African genocide is not grossly offensive. It is grossly offensive because it is not comparable. You are not a victim of genocide. You live in the West, where you can marry anyone you want and believe whatever you want, and can be safe from organized military force. Your comparison is shameful and insulting to those people who are going through an ACTUAL genocide.

      >"I wasn't comparing Genocides."

      If you think there is a genocide occurring in Europe, and one occurring in South Africa, the comparison is implicit. The fact that you think there is a genocide in BOTH locations is an insult to those in South Africa.

      >"I was trying to find out if you'd admit to any white genocide."

      Next time, try this:

      "Do you admit that there is a white genocide in Africa?"

      Refrain from passive-aggression and mind games in the future. If you want to know something, do not "try to find it out", instead simply present it to me.

      >"We support them and do all we can to give them support, media attention and aid packages"

      I think that's why you believe there is a genocide in Europe. You probably just want people to send you free stuff.

      >"Just for making that comment I'd probably slap you like the bitch you are were you in front of me."

      Looks like I hit a nerve. Perhaps you need to rethink that victim complex.

      >"That's why you people never come near us"

      Yeah, white nationalists/supremacists tend to be very violent, angry people, so most outsiders (including white people) don't like to go near them.

      >" and you deny being that Jew."

      Again, that literally makes no sense at all. You haven't provided a link to this video, but you keep saying the person in this video is Jewish. If the person in the video does not hide the fact he's Jewish, AND also shows his face on the camera, then this shows that he's not afraid to show people he's Jewish. So why do you think I am somehow the same person, but also afraid to admit I'm Jewish? You're delusional. I honestly think you are David Cole. There's no other explanation for why you're so delusional and you're so obsessed with thinking I'm Jewish. That's fine, I don't care if you think I'm jewish (because I'm not racist), and I also don't care if you're Jewish.

      >"you're afraid you might get knocked on your ass one of these days."

      Again, just take a second to think about that. You're accusing me of being a random Jewish guy you saw on youtube, who did not hide the fact he's Jewish (apparently) and showed his face on camera. There's really no reason for anybody to be secretive after they've done that much.

      >"We are under a Zionist Occupied Government as is All of Europe."

      Cite objective evidence for this claim.

      >"yet you deny it."

      I tend to deny things which aren't proven to be real. Please cite objective evidence for your claim so that you can prove it to me.

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    30. >"Tha'ts why I mention Tibet."

      Tibet is not the same place as Europe. Europe is a continent in the Northern hemisphere on the East side of the Atlantic ocean. Tibet is a part of China, which is a country within the Asian continent, which is on the West side of the Pacific ocean. Tibet and Europe are not the same and not comparable, sorry.

      >"It doesn't effect you"

      That's because it's not real.

      >" but we that oppose it get targeted by pokice and FBI."

      Cite objective evidence for this claim.

      >"Many friends are rotting in ZOG Gulags to this day.."

      Cite objective evidence for this claim.

      >"You say it's not happening means nothing."

      No, I do not say it's not happening, I ask for objective evidence that it is happening. If you are unable to provide proof for your claims, then there is no reason for me to believe it. I do not believe things without evidence, sorry.

      >"I noticed you changed some wording I mentioned from your article"

      Incorrect. When edits are made, you will see a time stamp at the bottom that says "Edited:" and it will say the date and time. You are delusional. I edited nothing.

      >" so it doesn't exactly match the youtube video."

      This may surprise you, but picking out two random people from the internet and deciding they're the same person is not rational. Chances are, those two people will not always agree with each other. If my article does not match the youtube video, MAYBE it's because we're not the same person. Something to think about.

      >"Smart move. You're a fucking coward."

      You're delusional. You must be David Cole.

      >"Maybe I’ll get back another time"

      No you won't, because my demands for proof scare you. You have no objective proof for your claims.

      >"but I'm not promoting your shitty site."

      I didn't ask you to.

      >"for more people to waste time with you so can fix your crappy “No race, immigration is natural” blog."

      There's nothing to fix.

      >" Nobody reads this crap"

      It's 10am where I am right now, and I already have 60 pageviews. I can take a screenshot if you don't believe me. That's not a lot of people in the grand scheme of things, but it's not "nobody" either.

      >"and I notice the youtube videos only have 4-5 posters of antifa rabble."

      Don't care. It's not my youtube channel. I don't have any videos on my youtube channel at the moment.

      >"Why not be a man sometime. Next time you see a Skinhead, talk some of this crap to his face and insult him."

      No. Skinheads are violent, hateful people. They are not receptive to rational dialogue.

      >"Then see if you can count the seconds before you'd probably hit the fucking ground."

      So you admit that WNs are violent, unfriendly thugs who physically assault anybody who doesn't unconditionally agree with your ideology. Earlier, you said you have argued with people on stormfront and told them not to post violent speech on the forums because people like me always notice it. You should probably try practicing what you preach.

      >"Fuck off Jew!"

      Ineffective. "Jew" is not an insult, and if you intend it to be one, then it applies to yourself as well, since you're obviously David Cole. Also, you're actually on my blog, so if you do not wish to speak to me anymore, it is you who must actually "fuck off", not me.

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    31. I just thought I'd add a final answer to this waste of time. Skinheads like myself have lived lives of violence and "Hate" has kept me alive this long when many friends are dead or still in Prison. No I'm not giving to give you names and dates or inmate #'s for proof. My mistake with age is softening my stance on issues, thinking we can talk with you reds. Brute force seems to be the only msg you people understand. Skinheads take the issue of "Respect" quite seriously and demand others show respect. When you disrespected me. Debate ends and violence begins, which.In this case in not possible.Speaking for myself i'm not an "Irrational Thugs" and am 'receptive to rational dialogue'. I told you I used to give press interviews in 90's. I can be very violent but direct it properly. Example; You disrespect me, I knock you out.However a normal cordial conversation is possible without fear,even with opposing views.

      I gave you "evidence" of Zionist involvement in forcing Immigration and diversity programs through quotes from the largest controlling interest groups and leaders, lawmakers of Europe and America. You refuse to except unless they write a confession to engineering the flood of 3rd world masses into west. I'll take their word for it since it's actually happening as they promised.

      I don't call hunting down areas of the US, calling them "too white" as Obama did. Then relocatng illegal aliens from camps into these communities natural "Immigration" I call this Genocide through ethnic cleansing of the white populace
      Article of moving "Illegals" to areas all over country like "White Nebraska"
      http://allenbwest.com/2014/07/aliens-coming-neighborhood-white-house-secretly-dispersing-illegal-immigrants-around-country/

      Example of Jewish run media promoting "Diversity" Complaing Portland should be more racially mixed.

      this including the past evidence you refuse to except is more than enough to convince many of a deliberate plan to erase the White race from the world. Genocide. I've read more and more talking about the issue and accepting it. Not all White, like this Asian, and Black pastor.
      Black pastor speaks against the GeNOcide of whites
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7kn3vXRENg
      Asian guy talking about White GeNOcide with possible solution
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIyxWlvwoXo

      Whether you beleive makes no difference.We have many media outlets and national foorum to figt this crime against our race and you're 50-60 views a day Will not stop us. Skinheads can be violent. Big surprise!!!. Up to 8-9 years ago I was spending most of my time in various state prisons all the way back to 13 yrs old serving a first term of 3 years. Spent last holidays of 89 in detention center and survived my first race riot.. Most older skins have similar stories. So I suggest if you meet a Skin, show respect, or walk the other way..

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    33. I just read your first response and noticed. your disrespect again. This is the so called "nerve you hit" after devoting my life to WR

      I shouldn't have to keep saying this: your personal experience is not objective evidence. That's like saying you have nonwhite friends so you're not racist. Just because you have white South African friends does not mean your comparison of European immigration to South African genocide is not grossly offensive. It is grossly offensive because it is not comparable. You are not a victim of genocide. You live in the West, where you can marry anyone you want and believe whatever you want, and can be safe from organized military force. Your comparison is shameful and insulting to those people who are going through an ACTUAL genocide.

      In case you haven't noticed not everything I talk about is meant as evidence. It's my way of showing respect in sharing a bit to create some kind of dialogue but you don't seem to understand Respect. you just needed to say "You don't give a shit about hearing anything but evidence" Start your debate as an adversarial asshole.See how far it gets you.

      >"I wasn't comparing Genocides."

      If you think there is a genocide occurring in Europe, and one occurring in South Africa, the comparison is implicit. The fact that you think there is a genocide in BOTH locations is an insult to those in South Africa.

      (It's only implicit in your "own" sick Jewish mind)

      There is no caparison you piece of shit. the African Genocides are an immediate threat to the farmers, their wives, Children. our Genocide is slow and does not involve killing. You have to be fucking retarded to think they even could be compared. Why haven't you done shit to help them? Your white hatred? Many farmers have sent us pictures of unspeakable atrocities. Some of their own family have plead with us to share pics as NOBODY seems to care but us. yet when we protest, your antifa thugs try fighting behind their police protection knowing we'd tear hem apart. The media ignores our protest and only brings up Skinheads and "White Supremacist" march" Instead of helping them you bother with people you consider "beneath you" and "Racists"

      I'm surprised how well they take it. I dread sending them links of protests we attend. I even warn them we maybe harming their cause since media only focus on us. They always thank me telling me not to worry. they are called racists all the time. please keep up the exposure.

      You have to be an idiot to think that simply mentioning more than one Genocide is comparing them. I told you what I compared us with. and of course you disagree, your purgative.Don't judge what I do for WR. I have never brought Shame to the cause..You're just a hook nose piece of shit that hasn't done anything for anyone. So i'd suggest if you see a skinhead you better run the other way like most of you do. You are just condescending, arrogant, and Disrespectful. Your tone of voice alone probably shows your feeling of being "better than" us and contempt you probably feel towards us "Primitive, uneducated thugs" Well "Might is Right" Jud and you could read all the books you want. That wouldn't help you defend yourself if you pissed of the wrong Skinhead. If you get another WN to debate. I suggest you learn respect if you want it to continue but Stormfront refuses yo give you any more attention. So maybe next year.If there ever is an actual Jewish holocaust Hopefully you'll be the first for a little Zyklon B therapy.

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    34. >"I just thought I'd add a final answer to this waste of time."

      You're the one choosing to comment. I'm not forcing you to waste your time.

      >"Skinheads like myself have lived lives of violence"

      Then don't blame people like me for noticing it. You have nobody to blame but yourself when this is used against you. If you weren't violent to begin with, then nobody would accuse you of being violent.

      >""Hate" has kept me alive this long when many friends are dead or still in Prison. No I'm not giving to give you names and dates or inmate #'s for proof."

      Not asking for them. All I care about is debunking nationalist ideology. Prison inmates' names are of no use to me.

      >"My mistake with age is softening my stance on issues, thinking we can talk with you reds."

      You're talking to one right now (or so you believe). So obviously you were not mistaken.

      >"Brute force seems to be the only msg you people understand."

      Everyone understands brute force. Brute force sends a message that you are violent. That is a message all people understand, not just people like me. I prefer rational dialogue though: I have never assaulted anyone and don't plan to. It appears to be most WNs, however, who only understand brute force. They are the ones (and you are admitting it now) who resort to brute force when they tire of rational dialogue. You have threatened to assault me merely because I do not share your ideology. YOU seem to be the one who only understands brute force.

      >"Skinheads take the issue of "Respect" quite seriously"

      Physically assaulting people is not respectful.

      >"and demand others show respect. When you disrespected me."

      Excuse me, YOU came here, and in your very FIRST comment, you called me "smarty pants" (by the way, I noticed you deleted this comment: I can still see it though, since it's my blog). Don't talk to me about respect. I have held you to a high standard of conduct: I do NOT expect you to be stupid, brutish and violent. When you talk to me, I expect you to be rational, intelligent, and able to provide objective evidence for any claims made. Holding you to this standard is the DEFINITION of respect. I hold you to a standard that is expected of academics: scientists, researchers, engineers. If this standard is too high for you, LEAVE. Otherwise, I will continue to hold you to this standard.

      >"Debate ends and violence begins,"

      Again, that's not respectful. If somebody disrespects me (by calling me "smarty pants", maybe), physical violence would only prove me a hypocrite. Violence is not respectful and does not prove that I am not a "smarty pants". Ultimately, the question we should ask ourselves is, "does being verbally disrespected REALLY bother me that badly?" For me, the answer is no. I don't particularly care that you call me "smarty pants" or "jew", or "red". In the end, all they are is words. They do not warrant blows.

      You have said more than once that you don't care what people call you, or what people think of you. But, in light of this violent outburst you're having, quite frankly I don't believe you. You do care: otherwise you would not be so upset that I "disrespected" you.

      I am of no importance, and a waste of time, according to you, and you don't care what people think of you or what people say about you. Yet...here you are, continuing to speak to me, and caring SO MUCH about what I've said to you that you want to assault me. If it's that easy to get under your skin, perhaps it is time to seek help. 25 years is a long time to live with these anger issues. You don't have to keep living like this.

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    35. >"Speaking for myself i'm not an "Irrational Thugs""

      Then don't act like it.

      >"and am 'receptive to rational dialogue'."

      Demonstrate this receptiveness. You have not done so thus far.
      -You have ignored most of my responses to you (for example, I provided objective evidence for mass immigration to African countries and to China: first, you called this "disingenuous" even though facts are not disingenuous, then when I provided further sources you simply ignored these).
      -You have attempted to use personal experience as objective proof.
      -You have made numerous assumptions about me without any proof.
      -You have accused me of being a Marxist AND an Anarchist (even though they are opposites: you cannot be both at the same time).
      -You have stated a desire to forcibly educate people with "camps".
      -You have claimed that WNs are not racist or supremacist, but then used "Jew" as an insult.
      -You have claimed to dissuade people on stormfront from posting violent speech on the forums, but have engaged in it yourself.
      -You have discredited your fellow WNs merely based on their age.
      -You trust unconditionally that your fellow WNs post their real age, but you do not believe that I could be a white race traitor. You refuse to believe that there are white people in the world who disagree with you.
      -You have repeatedly misunderstood what "anti-racist" means and accused me of holding white people and nonwhite people to a double-standard.
      -You have assumed that I am Jewish merely because you found a random Jewish guy on youtube.
      -You have accused me of hiding Jewish heritage, even though you think I'm the person on youtube who is apparently openly Jewish and does not hide it, and even shows his face.
      -Again, not understanding what "anti-racist" means, you have assumed that I actually care if you think I'm Jewish.


      But, most importantly, you have stated that you would oppose anything I say, even if you agreed with it. That, sir, is the very definition of "irrational". If you would oppose anything I say even if you agreed with it, then you are not receptive to rational dialogue.

      >"I told you I used to give press interviews in 90's."

      This does not prove that you are rational. You do not have to be rational to give a press interview.

      >"I can be very violent but direct it properly. Example; You disrespect me, I knock you out."

      No, that's not "properly". Properly would be self-defense against another equal or greater physical threat.

      >"However a normal cordial conversation is possible without fear,even with opposing views."

      No, apparently it's not. You began this "cordial" conversation with an insult, and have progressively devolved into threats and more insults.

      >"I gave you "evidence" of Zionist involvement in forcing Immigration and diversity programs through quotes from the largest controlling interest groups and leaders, lawmakers of Europe and America."

      No, you didn't. You quoted a Jewish lady from Sweden (who isn't even a politician, she's the founder of a college or something), and a guy from the SPLC.

      >"You refuse to except unless they write a confession to engineering the flood of 3rd world masses into west."

      No. Even then, I would not accept it. For the third time, quotes are not objective evidence. I would need to see actual events which match the definition of "genocide" to accept it. Quotes do not prove genocide, actions do. Immigration is not genocide, and nobody is forcing you to marry nonwhites, and nobody is forcing you to integrate to a foreign culture.

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    36. >"I'll take their word for it"

      It's incredibly naive of you to trust what any politician says. Obama said he would stop wiretapping, and he didn't. They are all liars. Again, actions are proof, not words. Words mean nothing, especially a politician's.

      >" since it's actually happening as they promised."

      Again, no. Immigration is not genocide.

      >"http://allenbwest.com/2014/07/aliens-coming-neighborhood-white-house-secretly-dispersing-illegal-immigrants-around-country/"

      Did you even read this? This is extremely poorly-cited. This guy cites just TWO elected officials who claim (and they do not show proof) that illegal immigrants have been placed in facilities in Chicago. One of the senators even admits he doesn't even know WHERE these facilities are. I am not gullible enough to believe that hundreds of illegal immigrant kids have been "secretly" put into facilities near Chicago, and only two officials know about it, but they can't explain HOW they know about it or WHERE the facilities are exactly.

      Furthermore, again, you're asking me to take politicians' quotes as objective evidence. This is not objective evidence. Show me the facilities, show me the illegals, and show me the resulting genocide. Even if this were true, again it is only immigration, it is not genocide.

      >"this including the past evidence you refuse to except is more than enough to convince many of a deliberate plan to erase the White race from the world. Genocide. I've read more and more talking about the issue and accepting it. Not all White, like this Asian, and Black pastor."

      How many times do I have to say this? Quotes are not objective evidence. Just because people talk about it and believe it does NOT mean it's true.

      >"Whether you beleive makes no difference."

      Correct.

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    37. >"We have many media outlets and national foorum to figt this crime against our race and you're 50-60 views a day Will not stop us."

      It was 10am when I had 60 views. I usually get about 200 views a day, give or take. Also, I'm not trying to "stop" you. You're fighting something which doesn't exist, so I don't need to stop you. All I'm trying to do is educate people. Nothing more.

      >"Skinheads can be violent. Big surprise!!!"

      That's actually not surprising at all.

      >"Up to 8-9 years ago I was spending most of my time in various state prisons all the way back to 13 yrs old serving a first term of 3 years. Spent last holidays of 89 in detention center and survived my first race riot.. Most older skins have similar stories. So I suggest if you meet a Skin, show respect, or walk the other way.."

      I don't show people respect just because they've spent time in prison and led violent lives. I show people respect because all humans are equal. I don't care about how you grew up or what you've done in the past. All humans are born equal and die equal.

      >"(It's only implicit in your "own" sick Jewish mind)"

      Why is the word "own" in quotes? There's no reason for you to put that in quotes.

      >"There is no caparison you piece of shit."

      Yeah, I know. That's what I was telling you: there is no comparison between your situation in Europe (no genocide) and the situation in South Africa (genocide).

      >"the African Genocides are an immediate threat to the farmers, their wives, Children. our Genocide is slow and does not involve killing."

      You're still saying there is a genocide in BOTH locations, and that is offensive to the people who are dealing with a real genocide. If you really believed there was NO comparison between them, you would not be saying there's a genocide occurring in Europe.

      >"You have to be fucking retarded to think they even could be compared."

      Then why do you keep comparing them?

      >"Why haven't you done shit to help them?"

      You do not know what I do outside of this blog. Another assumption without any evidence.

      >"Your white hatred?"

      Do I need to explain AGAIN what "anti-racist" means? Also, this is ironic coming from someone who hates any white person who disagrees with you. You hate more white people than I hate. I don't hate you, even though you disagree with me (and assuming you are indeed white: you call me "jew" so much though that I think you're hiding the fact you're David Cole). Let's assume for a second that you are white though: again, I don't hate you. But, you hate me so much that you want to believe I'm a Jew. You are the anti-white, not me.

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    38. >"Many farmers have sent us pictures of unspeakable atrocities. Some of their own family have plead with us to share pics as NOBODY seems to care but us. yet when we protest, your antifa thugs try fighting behind their police protection knowing we'd tear hem apart."

      Don't be surprised that nobody listens to you if your way of communicating is to tear people apart. You might want to try a different strategy.

      >" The media ignores our protest and only brings up Skinheads and "White Supremacist" march""

      Maybe if your protests were peaceful and you shouted something relevant instead of "white power", and held up pictures of the South African genocide instead of holding up pictures of swastikas and Obama, then maybe people would want to help you.

      WNs actually don't talk about or protest the South Africa genocide very often: mostly, you guys just whine about the one you believe is happening in Europe and North America. On stormfront, and even the comments from WNs on this blog, are mostly talking about Europe and North America. You are the FIRST one to mention South Africa to me. There is a prominent member of BUGS (Bob's Underground Graduate Seminar) who is actually from South Africa, and debated a friend of mine once on white genocide, but even HE only talked about genocide in Europe and North America. He barely mentioned South Africa at all even though he LIVES there.

      If you ask me, you and your fellow WNs are failing the people in South Africa.

      >"Instead of helping them you bother with people you consider "beneath you" and "Racists""

      Again, you do not know what I do with my time outside of this blog. You do not know who I help or who I do not help.

      >"I'm surprised how well they take it."

      Me too. I'd be pissed if I lived in South Africa and there were people complaining about immigration being genocide in Europe and the US.

      >"I dread sending them links of protests we attend."

      Then why do you send them?

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    39. >"I even warn them we maybe harming their cause since media only focus on us."

      Again, maybe if you actually wanted to educate people about South Africa instead of physically assault people, and spread this bizarre conspiracy theory about Zionist Jews and worldwide white genocide, maybe you'd have more luck. If you really cared about those in South Africa, you'd drop the silly conspiracy theories, clean up your act, and just focus on those people who need help in SA.

      And, you'd take any help you could get, you wouldn't discriminate based on heritage or skin color. If a Jewish person wanted to help, for example, then you would let them. But your entire ideology hinges on hating nonwhites (especially Jews) and white "race traitors", so you're cutting out an enormous sector of the population who might otherwise wish to help you. Just pathetic.

      >" They always thank me telling me not to worry. they are called racists all the time. please keep up the exposure."

      Marching around with nazi flags and yelling "white power" is not a good way to expose anything really. If there are any actual protests which have successfully raised awareness for South Africa, then it is in spite of your ideology, not because of it.

      >"You have to be an idiot to think that simply mentioning more than one Genocide is comparing them."

      You have to be an idiot to think that it's not. If you don't want to insult those in South Africa, then stop claiming that Europeans and Americans are victims of genocide. It's ridiculous. You're claiming that both are physical genocides and both are facilitating the extinction of white people. If you don't want to compare the two, then you shouldn't claim that they're so similar.

      >"I told you what I compared us with."

      Tibet? You're disagreeing with yourself. You said white people are going extinct in Europe. That's a physical genocide. Tibet is experiencing a cultural genocide: they are being forced to not speak Tibetan and speak Chinese instead, and curtail their traditional religious expression. So make up your mind, is Europe experiencing cultural or physical genocide?

      >"and of course you disagree, your purgative."

      White people are not being forced to stop speaking English, French, German, or any of their native languages. It is still legal in European countries to speak your native language. Also, it is still legal to choose what religion you belong to. Cultural genocide is not occurring. Also, nobody is forcing anybody to marry nonwhites, so a physical genocide is not happening either.

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    40. >"Don't judge what I do for WR."

      I don't.

      >" I have never brought Shame to the cause."

      If you aren't ashamed of being so violent and irrational, and this hasn't hurt your cause, that's probably a sign your cause is pretty dysfunctional.

      >"You're just a hook nose piece of shit"

      You do not know what my nose looks like.

      >"that hasn't done anything for anyone."

      For the third time, you do not know what I do with my time outside of this blog.

      >"So i'd suggest if you see a skinhead you better run the other way like most of you do."

      I don't need you to tell me to avoid violent irrational thugs.

      >"You are just condescending, arrogant, and Disrespectful."

      Again, if you don't like being expected to behave like a civil, intelligent human being, leave.

      >"Your tone of voice alone probably shows your feeling of being "better than" us"

      You do not know what my voice sounds like. If you're projecting a "tone" of smugness onto my writing, that's coming from you, not me. I don't baby people who come here and expect me to believe their conspiracy theories without any objective evidence.

      I expect you to man up and talk like a mature adult. If you don't do that, I'm not going to get dragged down with you. I'm going to continue acting like a mature adult and pointing out your flaws in logic. If you think that's "condescending" and "arrogant", then you must have not had many people in your life treat you like you're smart or equal. You ARE smart, and you know it deep down, but you've let yourself get caught up in dogma and violence for so long that you mistake intelligence for arrogance, and can't even tell when someone expects you to be intelligent.

      >" and contempt you probably feel towards us "Primitive, uneducated thugs""

      Again it's interesting you perceive me this way. I call skinheads thugs rightfully so, due to the violent speech and behavior constantly espoused by them (yourself included), but contempt? No. I do not feel contempt towards anybody. Humans are all equals.

      >"Well "Might is Right""

      No it isn't. Suppose you fought Arnold Schwarzenegger and Arnold won. Would you concede to his position that gay marriage should be allowed? Somehow I think even violence would not convince you to change your mind about your ideology.

      >" you could read all the books you want. That wouldn't help you defend yourself if you pissed of the wrong Skinhead."

      I really don't care. That is irrelevant.

      >"If you get another WN to debate. I suggest you learn respect if you want it to continue"

      Again, if you don't like being treated like you're intelligent, you can leave. I haven't called you stupid once, yet you continue to level this at me. (I have called you delusional, and asked if you were drunk, because sometimes you are incomprehensible, but I do not attack your intelligence, because I know that most people are not stupid, so I do not expect you to be stupid or act stupid).

      >"but Stormfront refuses yo give you any more attention."

      I thought you said you weren't going to post this on stormfront.

      >"If there ever is an actual Jewish holocaust Hopefully you'll be the first for a little Zyklon B therapy."

      More contradictions. Earlier, you said WNs do not seek to kill anybody. Make up your mind.

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    41. Where's the "Nazi" Flags? Who's yelling WHITE POWER! ? At rallies/marches against White Genocide we leave "ALL" politics behind. This video is an asshole ignoring our msg. Waiting for screams of White Power!! instead End the racist Genocide!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S7MLpIMhmk

      Here is you're Antifa rabble that surrounded us behind police barriers shouting and foaming at the mouth. 2 police were assaulted by them that day. Who're the "irrational thugs"?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE8_BCmM28M

      We peacefully protest, all they can do is ignore message and proclaim it "Nazi rally" and try to bust it up. They even called police Nazis.The violence started after most protesters were long gone. Antifa only wants violence and anarchy. Yet face to face without at least 10:1 odds they rarely approach. We will defend ourselves if attacked but at rallies we are respectful to all. Even as antifa screams and throws bottles. I don't know what you are could be Marxist, Anarchist, any wide spectrum of radical left. It was the "War Criminal" Winston Churchill that said " The Anti fascists of today will be the fascists of tomorrow."

      Here is montage of our rally's across the country. We've even had political candidates attend rallies. Only flags are American and South African,

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3prqXAk3MD0

      Don't assume how we act from old 80-90's era news clips. our methods have changed as have we. I've never directly threatened you. That would be crime.. I simply told you on a personal level respect is important and what you might expect if you show a complete lack of respect.. My original comments were not meant as insults but made in a jokingly manner. Until you showed disrespect when topic of South Africa Genocide came up. That's when I took issue.

      You're right we would except help from anyone on this issue. Jew, black Race traitor. If you care about issue this is group that helps organize many events.Yet, I sincerely doubt you care much. Please prove me wrong.

      http://www.southafricaproject.info/wordpress1/

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    42. >""Where's the "Nazi" Flags?"

      Right here:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc-7OOx4cUI

      >"Who's yelling WHITE POWER! ?"

      These people:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYD-fclspa0

      >"At rallies/marches against White Genocide we leave "ALL" politics behind."

      Apparently you don't. Here is one for the conspiratorial genocide WNs believe is occurring, and which is the core of WN dogma:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s7eDzlES2k

      >"This video is an asshole ignoring our msg. Waiting for screams of White Power!! instead End the racist Genocide!"

      The problem is that the protesters are still WNs. If you drop the racist ideology of white nationalism, people will take you more seriously. I guarantee it. You would allow anybody to join your ranks if you really were concerned about SA. But your paranoid hatred of anybody nonwhite confuses and frightens people. They will not listen to you as long as you are part of this racist dogma.

      The new black panthers (black nationalists) aren't taken seriously either, even if they protest something serious once in awhile, so they have the same problem. If black panthers ever protest the genocides in Rwanda, people do not listen, because the black panthers at their core are still a racist hate group, and they cannot erase that. Nobody wants to listen to a racist hate group.

      >"Here is you're Antifa rabble that surrounded us behind police barriers shouting and foaming at the mouth. 2 police were assaulted by them that day. Who're the "irrational thugs"?"

      You're the one who said skinheads would "tear them apart".

      >"We peacefully protest, all they can do is ignore message and proclaim it "Nazi rally" and try to bust it up."

      You're Nazis, and you're in a protest, so the label isn't wholly inaccurate. You don't need to be a Nazi to care about genocides and human rights, so you're sending a mixed message by being a Nazi but then claiming to care about a genocide. People do not trust Nazis, so your ideology dilutes your message. There are many people who would care about this issue but feel that they would not be welcome in your ranks. They are frightened of you, and rightfully so.

      >"Antifa only wants violence and anarchy."

      You're no different. You just told me earlier that skinheads all have violent stories and have led violent lives, and physically assault anyone who you perceive to be "disrespectful".

      >"We will defend ourselves if attacked but at rallies we are respectful to all."

      Not always.

      >"I don't know what you are could be Marxist, Anarchist, any wide spectrum of radical left."

      Then don't accuse me of being either of them.

      >"It was the "War Criminal" Winston Churchill that said " The Anti fascists of today will be the fascists of tomorrow.""

      His opinion, not a fact.

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    43. >"Here is montage of our rally's across the country. We've even had political candidates attend rallies. Only flags are American and South African"

      Again, as long as you call yourself "white nationalist" or "skinhead", nobody will listen to you because those are racist ideologies. There are some rational people like me who take the time to learn the truth, that you aren't lying about South Africa, but even I would not want to approach any of your rallies. I am white, but I am not a white nationalist, and all white nationalists I've spoken to (you included) have made it VERY clear that it's not safe for anti-racists like me to be near white nationalists in person.

      You have stated that you do not believe a Jewish holocaust occurred in WW2. You deny this genocide because you do not trust Jews, correct? You think they are lying about it. Well, the same thing is happening when white nationalists and skinheads try to tell the general public about SA. They do not trust you. Your ideology is your own greatest enemy in this case.

      >"Don't assume how we act from old 80-90's era news clips."

      I don't need to assume. I've seen recent footage of how you act. I know what your ideology consists of. I've seen the conspiratorial idiocy of Bob Whitaker's "mantra". You, personally, have TOLD me how you act. I've seen how you've spoken to me in unending insults and racial slurs. I've seen how you talk on forums like stormfront. I've seen your white rabbit radio propaganda, your BUGS propaganda, and your "diversity=genocide" protests and "white power" rallies. I don't need to assume: I KNOW how you act, and it's not from 80s-90s footage.

      >"our methods have changed as have we."

      It makes no difference as long as you are still racist. Racism is not right, and neither is might, and they never will be.

      >"I've never directly threatened you."

      It's a bit late to deny that. This is what you said:

      " Just for making that comment I'd probably slap you like the bitch you are were you in front of me."

      >"That would be crime."

      So? You just told me that you've spent several years in prisons and detention centers. The law apparently doesn't always deter you.

      >"I simply told you on a personal level respect is important"

      Again, don't tell me anything about respect when your first comment here was calling me "smarty pants". It's hypocritical. You can't lecture someone about respect until you yourself know what it is.

      >" and what you might expect if you show a complete lack of respect."

      Yeah, assault. That's a threat. Threatening to knock someone out because they don't agree with you is a threat.

      >"My original comments were not meant as insults"

      "Jew", "stupid", "hook-nosed", "ugly", "bitch", "idiot", were all used in the context of insults.

      >"but made in a jokingly manner."

      Could've fooled me. I like an immature joke as much as the next person, and I can take a joke, but these did not look like jokes to me. Also, you said you wanted to be "cordial", and even if these were jokes, they're certainly not cordial ones.

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    44. >"Until you showed disrespect when topic of South Africa Genocide came up."

      Again, I did not show disrespect. It is extremely offensive that you use the word "genocide" to describe events happening in Europe and the US. It is an insult to anybody who is dealing with a REAL genocide (like those in South Africa). You are trivializing the word "genocide" by using it to describe the conditions in FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES with high standards of living. The people in South Africa would LOVE to live in a place like the US or the Netherlands or Norway, etc. The fact you're COMPLAINING about it and saying you're a victim of genocide is appalling and shameful.

      Explaining this to you is NOT disrespect. If I wanted to disrespect you I would've called you "Hitler" or somesuch name and stopped talking to you long ago. But I didn't do that, I'm explaining this to you in clear terms, without pussying around or trying to be "nice" about it. I am treating you like a fucking equal and expecting you to use the intellect I KNOW you have. This is the epitome of respect. This is how I want people to treat me, and this is how I treat everybody. If you don't like it, you don't have to talk to me.

      >"You're right we would except help from anyone on this issue. Jew, black Race traitor."

      Then you need to drop the conspiratorial ideology. People will never be drawn to this cause as long as you call yourself "white nationalist".

      >"If you care about issue this is group that helps organize many events.Yet, I sincerely doubt you care much. Please prove me wrong.

      http://www.southafricaproject.info/wordpress1/"

      Church of Jesus Christ Christian is Aryan Nations. I don't want anything to do with racist organizations. However, I have a blog post I was working on where I was going to talk about genocides that actually ARE occurring in the world. If I get around to finishing it and posting it, you will see the South African genocide mentioned in the post (it has been in the draft for months already).

      That's all the proof I can give you that I care, because I will not involve myself with Aryan Nations. It is the same way I care about animal abuse, but I refuse to involve myself with PETA. PETA may help some animals, and Aryan Nations may help some people in SA, but both organizations overall do more harm than good in the world, and their core ideologies are hateful and violent.

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    45. It seems you don't understand anything I say or take it quite differently then was intended plus I watched every video you posted. The 1st was an obscure group, I haven't heard of, and saw no Skinheads, they had nothing to do with protesting SA Genocide. 2nd video was a Klan Rally. On that, what do you expect. 3rd was more accurate. They were protesting the White Genocide you refuse to see. No Nazi Flags, No screams of white power.

      You call me a "nazi". I never claimed this. Nazi was a made up word anyway by the Anti German press by a Jewish media mogul that was run out of Germany by the NSDAP. I don't deny the "Holocaust". Can't deny what never happened. No direct evidence of any gassing ever found. Thats anothr subject.watch "the Greatest story never Told" tells a complete true story of WW2. Nearly 2 million German POW's were murdered in Eisenhower's Rhine Meadows death Camps after the war. As a soldier and former SA Mann of NSDAP My grandfather probably wouldn't have survived if he had stayed. I would not call seeking to shed light on the truth of what was done to Germany being a "Nazi" Yet Germany, France, Canada, much of Europe criminalize the research putting old men and songwriters in prison for daring to seek the truth. That's another story.

      Telling you what you might expect or what I'd probably do or even like to to do in a circumstance is not a "Direct" threat. As for Antifa, I told you what would happen if they attacked us. You can find videos all over Europe of Peaceful rally's like recently in Cologne, Germany. Hooligans Against Salafists orginization. They were peaceful yet Antifa started riots attacking police. You don't seem to understand how violent Antifa are. They are extremists to the left that follow us wherever we go. Insane when any group tries to show pride in their culture. HoGeSa tried every way possible not to provoke them. I was disgusted to see they even hid their German flags so it wouldn't provoke them. Antifa believe there are no Germans but Humans. sound familiar?. When I quoted Churchill that has turned into fact. What would you call a group of thugs that violently try to silence any view not in line with theirs? Anybody that looks like they are on the other side is attacked.

      Don't know what else to say. We won't see eye to eye on anything. You get me wrong if you think a violent lifestyle was sought out. Even when younger I didn't seek out violence. It sought me and my kamerads. I only tried to explain what years living in violent pasts can do to people, not only Skinheads. to everyone,forced to live that way and racism would be to hold one race above another. Already told you I don't do that. I get what you mean thoe, many people won't trust us as long as they perceive us as "Racists" or "racist" groups but I seem to remember Louis Farakahn's Million Man march. Did very well for a black nationalist group who think they created White devils in a test tube. and I live in a very dark area when in the states. Support for Black nationalism and it's followers is not uncommon here I look forward to see if you give this issue as much scrutiny as ours. I wish you nothing but the best despite your opposite viewpoint.

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    46. "Nazi was a made up word anyway by the Anti German press by a Jewish media mogul that was run out of Germany by the NSDAP. I don't deny the "Holocaust". Can't deny what never happened. No direct evidence of any gassing ever found. " liar. First you are denying the holocaust ever happened. Second: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html
      We haven enough evidence.
      "They were protesting the White Genocide you refuse to see. No Nazi Flags, No screams of white power." Here you go: http://www.wgrz.com/video/1369357979001/1/GRAPHIC-Alleged-Neo-Nazis-Beat-South-African-Man
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkIioznTqOQ
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bivH1iC6Hwc
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euALi7zkHug
      http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/04/05/south.africa.terreblanche/
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjoWRTtAWI
      "You get me wrong if you think a violent lifestyle was sought out. Even when younger I didn't seek out violence. It sought me and my kamerads. " you threatened the author of this blog.
      Excuse me would you like to revise yourself?

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  7. Another thing worth mentioning is white nationalism's relations to Christianity. As ironic as it is, from my observations, I would say around 40% of Stormfront users are Christian. Part of this is that they believe modern day Jews are actually imposters of the Israelites. If you mention Christianity comes form the middle east, they will just say that Jesus was white, somehow.

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    1. yeah, I have noticed this. It's pretty common knowledge that within the Christian ideology, Jesus is considered a Jew, but for some reason all the Christian WNs say he's not. Completely bizarre. That's like if I decided to call myself a White Nationalist but then say that I believe interracial relationships are cool. I'd get laughed out of stormfront or called a troll.

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    2. Thank you. I really appreciate your support and knowing that I was able to help you out.

      Don't worry what other people think. It just goes to show: one of the ways people get stuck in dysfunctional ideologies is because of peer pressure. If people think less of you for being rational, that's not really fair to you.

      It can be hard if it's members of your family though. I disagree with my family on a lot of things, because I always try to research things and be objective. It can be hard. But ultimately, the truth matters more to me than pleasing other people, and I think facts and educating people are very important for humanity as a whole.

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  9. Oh an please forgive my spelling oversight... I meant to use "phylogenetic traits" lol, my bad

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  10. "What you're implying here is that countries where whites are immigrants or descendants of immigrants rightfully belong to whites, despite the fact that the basis of your "genocide" argument is immigration!"

    I kinda agree with you here, why would a white citizen from a wealthy country leave his rich homeland to venture himself into an endemic non-white third world sewer, is beyond me...

    One more thing, I live here in South Brazil, wich during its colonization had a massive influx of european immigration, and you can clearly see the difference of the south from north, the south, with its white predominance, has a MUCH HIGHER quality of life than the rest. I wonder what would be of this country if it never had been colonized by whites AT ALL, we would probably be living like indians, in a jungle. So this claim is worthless...


    "One only needs to realize that Europe, Australia, and North America have some of the highest standards of living in the world, to understand why people from other continents want to immigrate."

    YES!!! This highest living standard was BUILT BY WHITES FOR WHITES!!!! Its up to WHITES to reap what they've sown...

    "African countries overall tend to have a lower standard of living than European countries. If they had a higher standard of living, there would be an increase in immigration."

    You've just said that yourself, period, done.

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